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"Who Said That? Take Every Thought Captive" Rescue Radio with Marjorie Cole

"Who Said That? Take Every Thought Captive"  Rescue Radio with Marjorie Cole
"Who Said That? Take Every Thought Captive"  Rescue Radio with Marjorie Cole
RESCUE RADIO with Marjorie Cole
"Who Said That? Take Every Thought Captive" Rescue Radio with Marjorie Cole

Fear, worry, doubt, and confusion can feel like your own thoughts—but should you believe them?

Marjorie and Jarry Cole talk about the battle for your mind, the difference between the carnal mind and the Spirit, and how to recognize thoughts that do not agree with God's truth.

A simple question can change the way you respond: Who said that?

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Not every thought deserves your agreement.

Fear says, “I can’t do this.”
Worry says, “What if something goes wrong?”
Confusion says, “I don’t know what to do.”

Before you accept those thoughts, ask: Who said that?

Test what you are thinking against the Word of God and look at the fruit.

Does it bring peace, truth, hope, and confidence?

Or does it bring fear, doubt, confusion, and double-mindedness?

Take the thought captive. Reject the lie. Listen to the Holy Spirit.

There are two kingdoms, not three. Know who is talking to you.

KEY SCRIPTURES

Isaiah 55:6–9
Romans 8:5–9
Proverbs 3:5–6
Hebrews 4:12–13
Philippians 4:6–8
James 1:5–8
2 Corinthians 10:5

CHAPTERS

0:00 Opening Prayer
2:10 Who Said That?
5:30 Carnal Mind vs. Spirit
11:18 The Battle for Your Thoughts
13:30 When the Enemy Sounds Like You
17:29 How to Test a Thought
19:24 Fear, Worry & Confusion
24:04 From Worry to Peace
29:35 Two Kingdoms — Not Three
31:41 Make Discernment a Way of Life

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00:00 - Emergency opening

00:09 - Station ID / Rescue Radio

00:30 - Opening prayer and thanksgiving

02:10 - Topic introduced: Thoughts

02:26 - Scripture reading — Isaiah 55

03:00 - Thoughts may not be our own

04:47 - Two ‘software’ origins: Carnal mind vs Spirit

06:04 - Romans 8 explained — mind of flesh vs spirit

08:00 - Defining the flesh and soul processes

14:36 - Satan impersonates ‘me’

16:11 - Word of God discerns thoughts — Hebrews 4

17:29 - Practical test: Who said that?

19:24 - Worry vs trust — identifying enemy thoughts

24:04 - Philippians 4:6–8 — prayer, thanksgiving, peace

26:37 - Discerning spirits — James & John example

29:52 - Double‑mindedness and standing in faith

33:02 - Habits and practical application

34:13 - Final exhortation: Take every thought captive

36:00 - Outro / closing

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I have an emergency. What is your location?

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Rescue Radio.

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'Cause there's a war for your soul. Yes, we know,

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Father, we know. And we thank you, Father, in the name of Jesus Christ for

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this kingdom that is within us, that you are bringing forth your will, your purposes

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to be done in and through us, even as it's being done and declared

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every day, all the time in heaven. I thank you, Jesus, for submitting

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to the will of your Father to, uh, let— really go from—

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leave your home in glory and come down here to be with us, to die

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for us, to give your life a ransom for ours. And I thank

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you for giving us salvation. I thank you, Lord, it is a free gift.

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I thank you. You said whosoever will can come and call, be called into

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that kingdom of yours. And you've given us power and authority and purpose and

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meaning to this life. And I thank you, Lord Jesus, for those

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promises that you have said. No weapon

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formed against you will prosper. So you've given us authority to bind and to loose,

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to forgive and to heal, to cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out

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demons. Lord, I know that we have fallen short of many of those commands,

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and I ask you today that you quicken our eyes and our minds, that we

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will see and understand and grasp how the

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enemy has twisted and tricked and distorted

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our thoughts, even our thoughts, to deceive us, Lord God. I pray that you give

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us an understanding by the power of your Holy Spirit. And we declare too that

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no weapon formed against us will prosper this day or any other day,

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that no word said, deed done, or action taken, no twisting, tricking, or perverting of

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our minds and our words will be able to be used by the enemy to

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bring forth any shame, trouble, or reproach. But we will understand his conniving

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and we will not be ignorant of his devices. So Father God, quicken our minds

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and our ears and our hearts as we speak and as we share these things,

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in Jesus' name. Amen. So our topic

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today is very interesting. Who said that?

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What are you talking about, who said that? Who said that? We're talking about our

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thoughts, and I want to read from Isaiah chapter

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55, verses 6 through 9, as we begin here today.

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Seek the Lord while he may be found. Call upon him while he is near.

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Let the wicked forsake his way and the unrighteous

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man his thoughts. Let him return to the Lord and he

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will have mercy on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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And then God goes on to say, verse 8, for my thoughts are not

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your thoughts, nor are your ways my ways, says the

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Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my

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ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than

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your thoughts. So he says, for my thoughts are not your thoughts.

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And many times, you know, actually our own thoughts are not our own thoughts.

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Did you know that? I mean, we don't think about our thoughts as being devious

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or contrary to who we are because we think we thought them. And so

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this becomes the super confusion that Satan

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is setting all of us up into to be deceived.

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Yeah, and Psalm 94:11 says, the Lord

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knows the thoughts of man, that they are futile. Oh, and evil,

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evil, and continuously evil. In Matthew 19—

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yeah, 15:19. Well, first, yeah, and he says, out of

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the heart of man proceeds evil thoughts. Let's look

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at this in Matthew 15:19. For out of the heart of man proceed

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evil thoughts. Yeah. Murders, adulteries, fornication, theft,

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false witnesses, and blasphemies. So there's something in our

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heart that— out of our heart come evil thoughts.

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Yeah, and Jesus commented on that again

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in Matthew 9:4 when he said, but the

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Lord, knowing their thoughts, said, why do you think evil in

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your hearts? Again, like you said, out of the heart the mouth

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speaks, and these are evil thoughts coming out of our hearts. So he's—

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we're We're understanding that there is a

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problem in discerning the thoughts, even the thoughts

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that we think we're thinking, because we have 2 sets of software. And we want

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to explain a little of that today and clear up a little confusion

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about, uh, the thoughts that we're thinking and how Satan uses

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our very thoughts to get us to make a subconscious

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agreement with him that those thoughts are our thoughts and that therefore

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we just automatically assume they're our thoughts and we begin to agree with them.

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And that allows the enemy to operate in them. So,

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because it's interesting, there's the soul, the spirit, and our

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thoughts drive our actions. And Satan knows that and how

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our thoughts actually— but we don't know that. We know

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that part, that our thoughts drive our actions, but we don't know how our thoughts

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can be intercepted by fear or hijacked by confusion.

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Because we think that every thought we think we thought are thoughts we

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actually thought ourselves. This is an assumption and this causes

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a lot of playing field and confusion for the enemy who opens

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up all kinds of opportunities for himself to insert the lie

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into that process. So, the question

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is, do we ever really have our own thoughts?

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Well, if we go back to Romans 8:4, we're going to talk

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about— he's talking in there about the

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carnal mind, and he's talking about the

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mind of the Spirit. So, we see that there are 2 origins,

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origins or generations where thoughts can come from. One can

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come from the carnal mind, which is part of the soul system.

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It's made up of the mind, will, and emotions. And the other one is coming

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from the Spirit of God, where as his Spirit is bearing witness with ours.

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So we have a biblical foundation for this in, uh,

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I'll read up a few scriptures here in Romans 8,

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starting with verse 5. Um,

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so, um, For those— let me just go ahead and read here.

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Okay. For those who live according to the flesh set their

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minds on the things of the flesh, but those

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who live according to the Spirit, the things of the

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Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death,

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but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

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Let's go on, verse 7. Because the carnal mind

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is enmity against God. In other words, it's opposed to

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God, for it is not subject to the law of God, nor can be.

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So, so here we're seeing that, um, uh,

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those who are in the flesh cannot please God. We know this. What does it

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mean to be in the flesh? Right. That's what we don't know. People don't explain

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that very clearly to the normal everyday believer.

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So we just are assuming that our thoughts have to be,

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you know, we have to operate according to God's word. And yet many of our

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thoughts, as Paul mentions in Romans chapter 7,

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are not, are contrary to what he wants to do. They're causing him to,

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motivating him to do actions and activities that are contrary to

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who he is. And so the carnal mind is death. It says

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spiritual mind is life and peace. The carnal mind is enmity.

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So then he says, who are those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

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But if you're not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, indeed, if indeed the

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Spirit of God dwells in you. So there's, there's 2 options here. There's 2 origins.

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So how in the world do we wonder or figure out if we're

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having our own thoughts or if Satan is intercepting those thoughts?

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Uh, and how do we discern that? And how do we discern that actually quickly?

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Well, there's 2 sets of software there, right? So you have,

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you have the, the carnal mind, which sets its mind

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on the flesh or the things of the flesh. So, Things of the flesh,

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the things of the flesh, or the things of the soul, we could say.

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So basically, our flesh is basically the mind,

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will, and emotions connected with the body.

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That makes the flesh. That makes the flesh, or defined as the flesh.

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Carnally minded is where you're, you're thinking,

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you're using your emotions,

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and, and, and you're Mind, will, and emotions. So you're

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using your mind, will, or emotions to discern what

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to do, what to decide. And so

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when we're using our mouth, your mouth will always tell you

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if you're using your soul software or your spirit software, if you listen

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to the words coming out of your mouth. So when you say, I think,

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you are using your mind by very virtue of saying, I think,

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you're saying, I think. Which means I don't know for sure. I think it's

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going to be okay. So we already have an open swinging door, kind of like,

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I'm not sure. It could be this, it could be that. And same with your

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heart. You're going to say, I feel, well, that, that, that's flexible and unstable

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as well. So when we're using our soul software,

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we're going to be— the enemy is in that arena

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to insert his thoughts into our thoughts. You say, well, do we ever have any

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of our own thoughts? Well, the Bible says we are to have the mind of

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Christ. So if we're having the mind of Christ, that means we're walking in the

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Spirit and We're gonna be listening to the Holy Spirit. So when you're

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listening to the Holy Spirit, you can say, I know. But when you say,

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I know, your mouth says, I know, and the Spirit of God has communicated

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and shown you what to do, then there'll be a contest because your soul

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mind, the doubt will say, but how do you know that? How do you know

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for sure? Maybe you're just thinking that up. Maybe that's not, maybe that's not

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really your thought, or maybe this is just your, just your thought.

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And so is there a place where I just have

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my own thoughts? And what would those thoughts be if they're outside of

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the will of God and the mind of Christ? Then what other kingdom is there?

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Is there a third kingdom where I can just have my own thoughts,

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or is it either God, the origin from heaven, or the origin from

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hell? So, we are most vulnerable to

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the influence of the enemy, the thoughts of the enemy, if we're

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living in a third kingdom. Actually, if we're living according to the

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carnal mind. The carnal mind. If we're living according to our soul. Which is

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anchored, yes, the soul, the carnal mind is anchored in the kingdom

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of darkness. But our soul itself is not bad,

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but we use, if we're using the processes

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of simply our own human mind, our human

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will, and our human emotions, If we're just using those

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as the processes for making our decisions,

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which lead to our actions, which lead to our lifestyle, which leads to

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our habits and destiny, that's where

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we're the most vulnerable to the thoughts of Satan. Right. Right.

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So Jesus, remember when he's scolding, he says, um, uh, you know,

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what are you thinking? You're reasoning, you're drawing wrong

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conclusions. Reasoning in your heart. Yeah. And so we

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have to understand, we have to understand that there is a,

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excuse me, a battle between your soul and your spirit.

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And that's where the devil tries to bring in the doubt and the unbelief.

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Yeah. So there's a war for the mind. There's a battle for the mind,

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for your thoughts, because your thoughts—

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let's talk about this for a minute, Marjorie, about how we,

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How we think is how, how do we interpret what's,

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what's, what our experiences are, the experiences

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and events in our lives. We interpret

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those consciously or unconsciously, but we're also being influenced in those

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thoughts and those interpretations by the enemy who presents those ideas

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through reasoning, rationalizing, through religion,

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responsibility, and all of the parameters that he set up in this

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world to make decisions. So you're going to say, well, You know, we're reasoning

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about this. We're wondering, we're, you know, trying to do the pros

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and cons, figure it out. Yes, exactly. So what's, what's this deal

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in our thinking about figuring it out? Well, then it's leaning to our own understanding.

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That is leaning to our own understanding. Right.

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So in Proverbs 3:5-6, it says, trust in the Lord with

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all your heart and lean not to your own understanding. It doesn't mean you don't

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use your understanding, but if you're depending on your own understanding

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of how I can figure something out, But that's that understanding.

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The soul, the soul apparatus for determining

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direction is inferior to the Spirit.

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God's Spirit bearing witness with our spirit. That's 1 Corinthians 2:9-11,

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where God's Spirit downloads to your spirit man what

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the truth is, what the direction should be. And then we know stuff.

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But when you're using your soul, you're going to end up with, I don't know.

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So When we're thinking, um, the carnal mind, when we're using the carnal

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mind, we're actually operating out of the soul software. Um, he said

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to be carnally minded is, is, uh, enmity. Yes.

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And to be spiritually minded. So Paul is talking about this.

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Um, but we, we don't even think that the

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enemy could be tempting us on the, on the, um,

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in the arena of thoughts. We think the

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devil is tempting us to rob the bank or to kill someone.

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We don't believe that the devil could be tempting us to be afraid or

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to doubt or to be confused. So he comes impersonating

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us. This is a very important concept that most people don't understand. Satan comes

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impersonating me to myself, to cause me to

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believe that what I am saying,

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thinking, feeling, or doing is me.

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Therefore, I am defining myself by the fear,

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the doubt, the confusion that I see myself immersed

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in. So I keep being redefined and not by the Spirit of God, but by

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fear, confusion, doubt, double-mindedness. And nobody wants

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to really stop and analyze what the devil has done here. He is

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tempting us to get us to believe that the thoughts we

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are having are our thoughts. And so when he presents

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them to us, you know, he presents that temptation to us.

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He has to present it through our words. And, or through our writing.

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So he will bring it out of our mouth. And when he brings

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that temptation, his idea, his temptation out of

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my mouth, I will hear it presented to me as I,

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not as him, but as I, I am

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sick. I am depressed. I give up. I will never make it. I hate

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my life. All of these are temptations from Satan that he's putting into

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your mind, into your soul, to get you discouraged. He'll also add feelings.

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I hate my life. And then he'll make you feel down and discouraged and

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defeated. So he adds the thoughts in your mind and the feelings you have

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to create in you an agreement with, I give

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up, for example. And so he is tempting us,

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but the main temptation, the first temptation that he

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must get us to bite onto or hook to bite

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into is that this is my thought. This is me.

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Talking to me. But we are deceived when we believe that our thoughts are our

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thoughts because we're failing to discern the treachery, the trickery of

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the enemy. And that not only can he read

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our thoughts, he is the author of most of those thoughts.

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He is the tempter and he is the one who put those thoughts into our

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minds. He planted them into our minds and brings them out of our mouth.

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So once they're spoken, now they have the creative power to

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come into being. So nothing is activated until it's spoken.

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And when it's spoken, then Satan has activated his destruction

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against us. So how can we decipher, how can we

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separate between, uh, what would be my thought or God's,

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the devil's thought or my thought or God's thoughts? How do we separate that

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out? Well, the Bible says in Hebrews chapter 4:12-13 that

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the word of God is living and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword.

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And able to discern what separates joints from marrow,

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thoughts from intentions. And the

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Word of God, it's not only the

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Bible, right, the Scriptures, the Word of God, but the

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Word of God that's active, where God is speaking

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to us according to the Scripture, but not necessarily giving

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us a Bible verse, but he's letting us know, leading us And it's—

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the Bible says it's a discerner. The word of God is a discerner

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of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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So there's a standard. There's a standard.

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It's just like when you're tuning an instrument, right? There's a

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certain standard that you, that you go by to

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get it tuned to a certain, what, key or note or whatever it is.

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You go to that standard and you say, okay, This isn't— this,

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the string, this, this chord in my guitar is not meeting

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the standards. So I'm going to have to tune it. And so there's

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a standard adjustment is the word of God, right? It is.

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And so how can we tell the difference between our thoughts,

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God's thoughts, the devil's thoughts? And it's very simple.

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It's by asking the question, who said that?

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Who said that? Which origin? You're identifying with that question. You're identifying

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the origin of the thought. Who is talking

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to me? Is it the Holy Spirit or is it not? And Jesus said,

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by their fruits you shall know them. Matthew 7:15, I think it is.

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By their fruits. So if what you are thinking, what's coming out of your mouth,

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what you're pondering is bringing forth peace and joy and

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goodness, love, hope, it's from God. But if it's bringing forth

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confusion, Double-mindedness, doubt,

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fear, worry. It's not from God. By their fruits you

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shall know them. And this simple question again is, who's talking to me?

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Who said that? Where are you from? There's only 2 kingdoms

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and you will not be able to discern anything until you understand there are only

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2 kingdoms, heaven and hell, God and Satan, you know, light and

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darkness. You can't serve God and mammon, Jesus said, you know, so there's only

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2 kingdoms. And so when you say, who said that?

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Where are you from? Now, Jesus said, we have the authority to demand

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that identification from that speaker, the one who's speaking through our mouth.

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Where are you from, heaven or hell? It must tell you.

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Um, and it might just, it might answer that question.

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Just me. Many people, when I say to them, who said that?

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Who's talking out of your mouth? They'll say, well, it's just me,

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but just me, is the identify— the identity

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Satan is taking to deceive you. He's talking to you as if it's you,

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just me, but me is a reflective pronoun of the I Am.

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So you are made by the great I Am. So when you say just

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me, you're actually saying, you're hearing the devil say, well, it's just me,

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but he wants you to think it's you. You get that? It's very clever,

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but once you get it, it's very simple because by their fruits you

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shall know them. Let's, let's say that you're worried about something.

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Worry is what? It's a form of— we could call it fear,

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anxiety. If you catch yourself— this is okay,

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here's the deal. We're influenced all the time from every direction in

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our families and what's going on in our world, our personal

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world, what's going on in the world

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at large. Um, if we catch

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ourselves, if we catch ourselves worrying, Right? That means

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what— who are we listening to?

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What's the fruit of worry? If we're worried

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about something, that we're fearful about something, if we're

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confused about something, it's because we have— we're

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having the wrong thoughts. Right. And we don't ever

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question that. We just think it comes out of our mouth. I'm worried. I'm confused.

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I'm depressed. We don't ever say the next thing. Who's talking

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to me? Is that from God? Does God want you worried and depressed and anxious

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and fearful? No, of course he does not. So what, where's the source

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of this, this feeling and emotion and word then? It's coming from the enemy.

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So, but we don't examine it. We just go with it. We don't,

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we just say, well, I'm worried. I'm afraid. How will I pay the bills?

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And what if my friend is sick and what's going

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to happen? And all this. Well, this is where, It boils down to, do you

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trust God to provide and be who he said he is,

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keeping his promises to us? Or do you go back into,

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it's up to me and I've got to take care of myself? If we're walking

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in the spirit, we're going to know and be resting in the truth. If we're

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walking in the soul, we will be resting in confusion and uncertainty.

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So the scripture says, what time I am afraid,

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I will trust in thee. So it's a matter of shifting

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gears here. Okay, so you find yourself worrying.

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Well, God's going to take care of it. But how do you— how do you—

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how do you shift? You shift from worry,

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uh, worrying, worrying and fear to

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trust. How do you do that? How do you do that shift? How do you—

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how do you fight that battle? Catch those thoughts and say,

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no, this is— well, the Holy Spirit is there to help you catch the thoughts,

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but at the same time, you're gonna have to take some action. You're gonna have

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to say This is not from God. This is fear. This is worry. This is

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anxiety. This is not God. Jesus says, I've come that you might have life and

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life more abundantly. And then the oh no's and what ifs and all of the

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apprehension about the regret from the past and the apprehension about the future.

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Satan is just playing us like a, like a harp singing

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to his own evil melody. So we have, we must have,

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and we have the, this is where we make the choice. This is where we

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make the decision. This is where we make, use discernment. Um, to just,

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who's, who is talking to me now?

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And at the same, it can be interesting because both God and Satan are in

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the same place at the same time. So both God and Satan can be talking

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to you at the same time. And this is many a times, this is another

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way that the devil deceives us. Uh, and so which one's

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louder? Which one are we going to listen to? Which one's getting our attention?

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Um, so we become divided and tormented and division and torment,

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and pain and doubt, double-mindedness, uh, that bring confusion.

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The fact is that Satan is trying to mingle his words, his plan,

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his temptation with God's plan in your life. And so

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when they mingle together, now we have again more

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confusion. For example, the religious spirit can come

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to you and say, you should read your Bible more, or you should

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go to church, or you should, you know, um, be, uh, I don't

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know, whatever, more, more, whatever, never, never enough. You should.

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And, but God says, I am with you. I will never leave you or forsake

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you. So you can have 2 things coming out of your mouth, one from God

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and one from Satan at the same time. When the fear comes in and says,

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what are you going to do? Jesus says, I'll never leave you or forsake you.

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That's coming from your spirit. And then from the, from the enemy,

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from the soul, the carnal mind is saying, but I don't know where

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he is and I don't know what's going to happen. So you see, they can

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both be crashing together in your,

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in your decision-making life and you're at the same time.

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So you must, number one, know the word of God and

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trust him and know that this is a battle for your soul and call out

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the enemy. Not every thought you think you thought

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you thought are thoughts you thought. Some of the thoughts

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you think you thought are thoughts the enemy

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wants you to think you thought so he can get you to believe them as

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if they're your own, and then you'll act on them as if they're your own.

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And so this is the complication, but it's not very complicated

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if you just stop the whole process and say, wait a minute, who's talking to

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me? Are you from heaven or hell? Yeah. Another thing too, in Philippians

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chapter 4, uh, verses 6 and

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7, and maybe we'll move into 8 here as well. He says, be anxious for

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nothing. Okay. Don't worry about anything,

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right? Is what he's saying. But if anxiety comes along,

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here's how you shift. But in everything,

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by prayer and supplication— prayer means general relationship

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with the Lord, and supplication means specific

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requests— with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known

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to God. So you catch, okay, I'm getting worried here. Wait a

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minute, I'm going to bring this to the Lord. I'm going to bring it to

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him specifically. I'm going to be thankful because God is good

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and he's taking care of me. Let your requests be made known to

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God. And then he said, what's going to happen here? And the peace

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of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard

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your hearts and what? Minds through Christ Jesus.

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So you go from worry to peace.

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You go from worry to supernatural peace.

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Which surpasses understanding, right? Peace which passes all

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understanding will guard your heart and minds through Christ Jesus.

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So if you're in that place of peace and wholeness in

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your thinking, I mean, the peace of God is

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going to guard your mind, right? It's a guardian

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of your mind. But, and then it says in verse 8,

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finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble,

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whatever things are just, whatever things are pure,

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whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report,

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if there's any virtue, if there's anything— that's the fruit of the

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Spirit. Yeah, he says meditate on these things. Now what we

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have going on in our world is just the opposite of those things.

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It's evilness, evil and wickedness and so forth. He says shift gears

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from that, shift your focus from that. Instead of meditating on

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how bad things are, meditate on how good

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God is and be thankful unto him. But what we're meditating on,

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many times we don't even check out what we're meditating on. We're thinking and pondering

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and allowing the enemy to reinforce the

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negative things that have happened in the past because we're still programmed by the fear

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and the trauma of those things. So to break out of that trauma of loss

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and poverty and death and sickness and tragedy, we have got

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to turn the corner. We can't just keep letting those things roll. And remember,

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an example of this, thinking your thoughts and taking action is

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when Jesus and John and James were going through Samaria and James

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and John, the sons of thunder, wanted to call down fire on the Samaritans

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because they did not want to pay attention or were not paying attention

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to Jesus. And Jesus responded to James and John. He says, you do

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not know what manner of spirit you are of. You do not know where

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those ideas are coming from right now. You don't know where those words of

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bringing down this fire on them, you aren't discerning where they're

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from. They're not of me. And Jesus kept on walking. It wasn't Jesus,

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it wasn't time, it wasn't the right time. It was the anxiety or the

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ambition of James and John to see some action here and

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to call down fire on these people. And Jesus said, you do not know

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what spirit you are of. At that point, they were not walking

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in the Holy Spirit or the will of God. They were walking in their carnal

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minds. And so we have to understand that This

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is a very real thing. And most people have not been taught this through the

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word of God because they haven't really examined it that well or deeply.

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But it's this simple device of, a very simple

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device for quick sorting out of this, the voices in our heads, the thoughts

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in our minds and hearts is simply spoken, can be

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done through our mouths. Who's talking to me?

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Who said that? And you know, the thing is a lot of times Christians

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are so confused into believing that the devil can't be in that close

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proximity them. Well, how can he be in my mind? And I, when I love

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the Lord and I seek God and I want his will, the devil is always

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in your carnal. He's always in the carnal part of us,

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uh, the, the flesh part of us. Because why? Because he can be.

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But we, but the whole point is walk in the Spirit and you'll

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not fulfill the lust of the flesh. So how do you do that? You have

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to deliberately sort out the thoughts, the temptations,

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the influences of that fear and

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death and destruction are having upon you. And those thoughts don't

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stop just because you become a Christian. They don't stop just because now you love

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Jesus. As a matter of fact, they might increase because the devil's putting

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more pressure on you to pull you back into that place, that wilderness

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of, I don't know, and I'm confused. And you say, well, how do I know

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if the devil's telling the truth? Well, Jesus said he gave us the authority.

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He says, You, he says, I give you authority to bind and to loose,

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to forbid and permit. Why don't you just,

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if you don't believe that this works, why don't you just give it a try?

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And in your authority that Jesus has given you,

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something comes out of your mouth and you already know it's

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leading to discouragement, anxiety, fear, whatever. So you already know it's

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from the kingdom of hell. You don't even have to be smart to know that.

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Well, it's making me worry. It's making me confused. Well,

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you could say, who said that? And call it to the light. But you

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already know in your spirit, if you pay attention to your spirit, that this

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is disturbing you. This is frightening you. This is making

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you worry or anxious. And so there's

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only 2 kingdoms. If you start running your life, your words,

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your actions, your decisions based on that concept of there's

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not 3 kingdoms. Satan wants you to think there's a 3rd kingdom

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of just me or me or, the junk box of, I don't know,

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and the junk, we throw everything in there like mental health and,

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uh, or mental illness or, um, you know,

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accidents, you know, bad luck. Like a third kingdom.

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Yeah. So we throw everything in there and then we don't deal with it.

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We don't sort it out. We don't determine where it's from. Then it sits there

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and it poisons your confidence in God and it discourages

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your walk with God. So you become double-minded. And the Bible says,

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James, a double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways.

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Let not that man think that he'll receive anything from the Lord. So when you're

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double-minded and God says in his word, uh, he sent his word and healed

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them and you need some healing and now you're still having the symptoms and you're

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feeling worse and everybody's talking to you and they're giving you diagnoses and

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they're sending you here and there to try this and that, you know, double-minded man,

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double-minded, you're not going to get what you're asking for unless you can stand

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and having done all to stand in faith, believing God and declaring the word of

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God over the situation. But you will, if you're double-minded, you make no progress.

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You just dig a rut. Does that make sense? And if you're passive, one of

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the most deadly attitudes that we can have in our hearts is

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just be passive. How do you know if you're being passive?

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You're going to say things like, it is what it is. So we're

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just— we just kind of let things go. We give it agreement. We don't,

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you know, we don't— we just— we don't stand up to our enemy.

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Right, right. As he presents himself as us. So God calls us to

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be not passive but proactive. And so He says,

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test your heart, examine your hearts,

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test your hearts. But he also says out of the heart— prove all things.

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But he says, test all things. Yes. But out of the heart, he says,

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proceeds corruptions, adulteries. So you can't use your heart

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to decide. Their final decision has to come from the word of God,

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the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit of God bearing witness with our spirit. So,

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um, again, this is— I, I know this is not that complicated,

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but simply ask the question, let the Holy Spirit guide

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you. We've said a lot of things today that you might want to relisten to

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this podcast a couple more times, because it's very important.

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If you don't get this basic thing, you will always be doubtful,

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double-minded, and indecisive, and you won't accomplish— the Bible

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says, stand in having done all. Stand. Where do you stand? We stand in the

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word of God, no matter what it looks like, no matter what it feels like,

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no matter what your experiences have been. So we're— I'm recommending that

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you pursue this more fully. And I, there's several

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books we've written on this. I think one of the first ones was, Taking the

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Devil to Court. And in that book, we talk about that. We call them the

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first-person impersonators who impersonate us to ourselves and get us

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to make decisions that are fearful and double-minded and destructive.

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Let me just share a little illustration. When I first went to Bible college,

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we had just an amazing schedule. I thought, how am

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I going to get all this done? And one of our instructors gave us

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a chart where you could put, you could fill in every half

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hour of the day. And it's like,

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oh man. So I did that at first. And after a while it's realized,

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okay, I don't need to do this. I don't need to use this chart

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because I just, it helped. The chart helped

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me to use the time well.

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So I'm not thinking about, I had to.

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So the chart, I didn't need the chart, but the thing

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is, if you just get, what I'm saying is that you get into this habit.

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So I got into the habit of using the time really well,

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not in a legalistic sense, but just flowing through,

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and there was great freedom in that. So if we just, like Margie is

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saying, if we get into this habit, is this revolutionary?

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It's a way of life. It's a way of life. A way of life.

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It's not even a habit. It's the natural Holy Spirit coming into you.

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Something you do unconsciously. You test the things. Who said

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that? Where's that from? If you just say

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that in your heart in every situation,

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at work, at your home, what's going on with your kids, in your conversations,

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even listening to other people's words coming out of their mouth, you can question,

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who's talking to me here? Is this the Holy Spirit out of your mouth talking

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to me, or is this not? And so again, going back to lists are laws

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and legalism. And, but we are, God wants us to walk and flow and be

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and abide in the Spirit of God. And we can do this. So Father,

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please, I praise you and thank you for showing this concept

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to us, your people, and that we can take captive every thought

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and make it subject to the obedience of Christ by just simply asking,

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who's talking? Who said that? Where are you from? So I pray today that this

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will, you will turn the light bulbs on and give the revelation to the people

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so that they will not be walking in doubt, double-mindedness, and confusion anymore,

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but they're walking in the confidence of your Holy Spirit bearing witness with

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their spirit that they can know the truth and walk in

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the confidence of that truth. In Jesus' name. Amen. Yeah.

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Again, you mentioned Marjorie, Taking the Devil to Court. That's a,

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I would say, a primer. Primer.

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First, it was one of the first books we wrote. One of the first books

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you wrote. And it's a good place to start as far

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as recognizing what the enemy's doing. These are not new

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concepts, but they have been consolidated into an understanding.

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These things are scattered throughout the word. Of God. And many people,

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you know, look at a piece of it here and a piece of it there,

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but they never put the concept together to make it anything

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that works. You know, you may be trying to fix a bike and you have

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a tire over here and you have a pedal over here and you have a

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handlebar over here, but if you don't put them together, you will not ride the

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bike. They're all good and important, but you need to put them together

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so you can ride the bike. So let's do that. Holy Spirit, help us.

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Put all— put you— it's— we're depending on you to put all this together

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that we can live in victory and power in these days. In Jesus'

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name, amen. I have an emergency. What is your location?

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3, 2, 1.

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Rescue radio, 'cause there's a war for your